How To Hunt Wolves

Are you interested in wolf hunting? From all the media attention brought up by the anti-hunting groups, one might be inclined to think that getting a shot at a wolf is extremely easy. These groups keep claiming that hunting season means eradication of wolves, implying wolves will be easy to kill. I, on the other hand, have a little more respect for the wolf and its ability to survive as the new top predator of the Northern Rockies.

Enough wolves have been shot under kill permits for killing livestock and pets in the last few years that the majority of wolves in Idaho and Montana aren’t nearly as bold as they were when they were first reintroduced. Once they have been hunted, wolves are generally extremely cautious and prefer to stay out of the open as much as possible. Anyone who has hunted them in Canada or Alaska will attest.

Hunting Methods

Because of the difficulty of actually finding wolves, many people, certainly beginner hunters, may not be up to the challenge. A lot of stamina and patience is involved in hunting wolves, and to really enjoy a wolf hunt you need to be the kind of person who appreciates the hunt as much as the kill. Another difficult aspect of hunting wolves stems from the fact that wolves do a lot of their own hunting at night. Currently both Montana and Idaho hunting seasons prohibit the hunting of wolves at night. That means spotlighting wolves when they’re most active will not be an option.

Basically, there are 2 ways to hunt wolves. The first way is to …well, not really hunt wolves, but rather keep a tag in your pocket just in case when you’re out hunting deer or elk. You never know when you might stumble into a pack of wolves, so it’s a good idea to be prepared even if you’re hunting something else. If you come across wolf hunting, it’s likely that they’ll see you before you see them, so you should be prepared to get a quick shot off because there probably won’t be much time for hesitation.

The second way to hunt if you’re interested in shooting a wolf is to wait for the wolf to come to you. In Canada, they can bait in wolves, but in Idaho & Montana wolves are currently considered a game species & baiting is not allowed. That doesn’t mean you can’t get a wolf to come to you though.  Wolves are very territorial, and will patrol their territory regularly to keep out other wolves and predators. If you have seen wolf tracks or signs in an area, it’s a good bet that you’re in a packs territory and that they’re not far off, or they’ll be back again soon. In areas like these, predator calling can work very well.

Calling Wolves

Calling a wolf is much like calling a coyote. I’m not going to assume everyone reading this, however, is an expert on calling coyotes, so I’ll explain a few things you need to know. Predators, in general, are inquisitive by nature. Usually they are on the look out for the next meal. Dying or sick prey is a great treat for a predator because all the hard work has usually been done already. Given the choice between running down a deer, or chomping down a carcass that something else killed, you’ll see that almost every predator will prefer scavenging an easy meal. Wolves are no exception. Because of this, calling predators in with the sounds of dying prey animals is extremely effective. Calls that work can range from a squeaker that imitates a field mouse to a cow elk call. Perhaps the most popular, and arguably most effective are the calls made to imitate the death squalls of a cottontail or jack rabbit. While a rabbit might not seem like much of a meal for a wolf, it’s still an enticing, easy snack. Wolves, unlike coyotes, often prey on elk, and can also be called in with the same cow elk call you would use to bring a big bull elk in with. There doesn’t even have to be a hint of distress in the calls for this to work. With all these options, you can use what ever call you’re most proficient with or have handy.

Now days if you visit a Cabelas, or your local sporting goods store you’ll see an entire section filled with game calls for predators and elk. Calls generally come in 3 variations:

Closed Reed

Closed Reed Call

Closed reed calls have a mouth piece kind of like a flute  at the end that you simply put your lips over and blow into. These types of calls are extremely easy to use and I would recommend them if you have never used one before. The limitation of these calls is that the range of sounds they make is fixed so you can’t get much variation out of them. They are still very effective.

 

Open Reed

Open Reed Call

Open reed calls are exactly that. The reed is the piece that vibrates to produce the sound is exposed. These calls are more difficult because they don’t work just by blowing on to them. You can vary the pitch of the sounds by sliding your lips across the reed, and by varying the pressure you put on the reed can produce a wide range of sounds. These types of calls take some getting used to, but can produce very natural sounds. The one real draw back I’ve found is that in the frigid winters, and even fall months of the North West, an open reed call is very prone to freeze up from your spit when the temperature heads south, making them unusable.

 

Electronic

If your shopping for calls, no doubt you’ll stumble across the new electronic versions. These come loaded with various calls and have a speaker attached. While, these are cutting edge and quite effective for coyotes, DO NOT USE ELCTRONIC CALLS FOR WOLVES. Wolves are currently listed as a big game Electronic Callerspecies in Idaho and Montana and it is prohibited to use an electronic device with recorded sounds to call them in. UPDATE: As of 2011 you may now Hunt Wolves with an Electronic game call in Idaho, but not in Montana. If you are hunting wolves in another region, make sure you check with your local wildlife management agency to verify whether or not electronic calls may be used.

That’s a pretty brief overview of calls that are available, but to go into more depth would require another article. There is one other method of calling wolves that, surprisingly, is also quite effective and actually requires no call. That method is howling.

Howling for Wolves

Howling Wolves

It may sound kind of silly, and you might laugh at the thought of sitting on a hill howling off into the woods, but if you’ve got the throat for it you’ll be surprised how effective this can be. Its no secret wolves like to howl. They’re one of the most vocal critters on earth. Combine that with their fierce territorial behavior, and you’ve got a recipe that can put a whole pack of wolves in your lap. Now, I won’t proclaim to be an expert at this, but I do know a rancher in East Idaho that grazes cattle in Unit 28 in Idaho which is packed full of wolves. He’s on several occasions got entire packs howling back at him, and even had one female wolf run up less than a hundreds yards and challenge him with territorial howls, barks, and growls.

UPDATE: If you don’t feel like sitting around howling all by your self, there are few places making a wolf howler now. Several are modeled after coyote howlers , and work alright, but by far the best howler we’ve found is the Alpha Wolf Hower by Bugling Bull Game Calls. This howler was built from the ground up to produce the eerie, deep howls of a wolf  and is truly awesome for locating and calling in wolves.

This unique aspect of wolf hunting is something that makes it so exciting. Be warned though, the eerie howl of a lone wolf can raise the hair on even the burliest of men’s necks. If you choose this method, you may want to bring a buddy along.

Calling predators is somewhat of an art, and there are many opinions on the subject. You don’t have to pick just one type of call to use. Some times a variation works best. You might start out with a howl to locate a wolf. Then you might use a cow elk call to lure it in. If that doesn’t work you might switch to a rabbit squall, and to lure it in that last hundred yards to get a closer shot you might try a squeaker. Experiment and you’ll find out what works for you.

Guns and Gear

Once you’ve picked up some calls, there’s a few other things that can up your odds of a successful hunt. This is a by no means a comprehensive list of everything you might need, but it is a few of the things I feel are necessities.

Camouflage

Camo for Hunting Wolves

Wolves make a living off their keen eyesight, and your blue jeans will stick out like a PETA member in a butcher shop. You can never have too much camo and I recommend a face mask, gloves, and even camo tape or a paint job for your rifle. Also, try and make sure your camo matches the terrain. For the longest time, all the camo that was available was Mossy Oak and Realtree variations made for the heavily wooded forests of the south and Midwest. In Idaho and Montana, there aren’t forests like that. Where you’ll find wolves is going to be in heavy pine forests or in sagebrush. For all of the out-of-staters, sagebrush is the lovely scrub that covers most of the state of Idaho and a good portion of Montana. Finally, companies are starting to make some quality camo for western terrain. Some of the best I’ve found for hunting are the Seclusion 3D patterns offered by Cabelas.If you don’t have these patterns, that’s ok. Any camo is better than no camo.

Bi-Pods or Shooting StixShooting Stix

Because you’re going to be sitting most of the time for calling wolves, a good bipod or set of shooting stix is recommended. You won’t be moving around much and a solid rest helps ensure a well placed shot for a clean kill. If you get a bipod, pick up one that pivots and has extendable legs. This offers more versatility for shooting on uneven terrain. The solid types, make it hard to position your rifle without moving. A cheaper option is a set of shooting stix, if you go this route you can make your own out of wood dowels. You want the stix to be tall enough that you can comfortable shoot your rifle while sitting Indian style, or flat on your bottom.

BinocularsBinoculars

A good set of binoculars hanging from your neck can really help out. You can spot a wolf coming in from much farther away and you don’t have to move your hands very much to use them. The scope on your rifle will do the same thing, but you have to pick it up and swing it around, and may well generate enough motion to scare away a prospective wolf.

 

A Flat Shooting RifleWolf Rifle

The game regulations in Idaho and Montana only state that you can’t use a rimfire rifle on wolves. That means just about anything else you have is legal, but before you head out with your favorite coyote rifle keep in mind a big Alpha male gray wolf can weigh 150 lbs! I personally would not be comfortable shooting a wolf with a small caliber like a .22 Hornet, .204 Ruger, 17 Remington, or even a .223. I know all of these popular calibers are probably quite cable of killing a wolf with a well placed shot, but at distances over 300 yards these cartridges might not be up to the challenge and if you use one, be prepared for a follow up shot. Larger varmint calibers like the 22/250, 220 Swift, or .243 are probably a better choice and certainly your deer or elk rifle will do the trick.

Picking a StandWolf Hunting Stand

 

Picking a good stand to call from is critical. Wolves have keen eye sight, and an even keener sense of smell. When choosing a stand you need to take this into account and pick a spot that will put you down wind of the wolves when they come in, yet give you good visibility of the area in front of you. Draws, dry creek beds, canyons, and other features in the terrain can help you predict the path a wolf will take when responding to a call. Position yourself in a place where you have a clear view upwind, but where you can also see downwind. Gullies and saddles make good stands to call from because they give a wolf an easy path to follow. Brush and trees at the bottom of the gully or saddle give the wolf cover while is moving, so it feels protected and will come in at a faster pace. You should pick a high spot in the terrain so you a have a good view. Wolves can hear calls from over a mile away, so the farther you can see the better chance you’ll have of spotting a wolf on its way. This will give you more time to prepare for a shot and also lets you see how the wolf is reacting to your calls. Other things to keep in mind when picking a stand are to look for sufficient cover. You want to break up your outline, and preferably be able to hunker up against a tree or a bush Shaded areas are also a plus because you don’t have to worry about the glare of the sun reflecting off your scope or rifle barrel. The best time of day to get setup in your stand is early morning just before the sun comes up or later in the evening because wolves are most active at night.

How to Call

 

Once you’ve chosen your stand, sit down and position your rifle in a way that gives you the widest shooting window with the least amount of movement. Once it’s positioned try to move as little as possible. Allow 5-10 minutes for a calm down period before your start calling. When I’m up against a pine tree or sagebrush I like to grab a handful of needles or sage and kind of grind it up in my hand while I’m waiting. This release a pungent natural odor that helps cover the human scent.

If you choose to start off with a howl, and quickly get a response back, you may want to just continue howling. If the responses sound like they’re getting closer keep it up. If they don’t, or you didn’t choose to howl at all, it may be time to use a game call like an elk or rabbit. For rabbit calls, its good to call aggressively at first for 1-2 minutes at a time and then lay off for a few minutes. Repeat this process and continue even if you see a wolf coming in from a long distance. When a wolf gets with in a few hundred yards, simply squeaking with your lips may be all it takes to lure it in. If the wolf is looking your way, try not to move at all. As soon as the wolf is in a range that your comfortable shooting, take the shot. The closer the wolf gets the more likely it is to pick up your scent or see you. If you miss the shot, a bark or a quick howl will sometimes stop the wolf long enough for a second shot. Miss again and your probably out of luck. If you do take a wolf in the first shot and your hunting with a buddy that has a tag too, don’t jump up just yet. Making a yip or whining sound like a hurt pup will likely bring other members of the pack that are close by running and your buddy will get a chance to harvest a wolf too.Calling in Wolves

Patience is key with wolf hunting, so don’t expect to plop down on a hill 5 minutes from a well traveled road and call for 10 minutes and get a wolf. Wolves are extremely cautious and they also might be coming from a mile or more away. It pays to wait and calling for 30 minute to an hour or more can pay off. Remember, as soon as you stand up, your probably going to scare anything that was coming in away, and if you would have waited 5 or 10 minutes longer you might have seen that wolf coming over the hill. It might take a few times, but if you bring the right gear, use the right rifle, and try out some of the calling techniques listed above you’ve got a great chance at getting a new wolf skin rug.

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  • Ryan

    I must say that having killed a wolf in is the most….well you cant put it into words. Its just so…well you get the point but alas I belive in fair conservation so I belive that they’re SHOULD be limits (date how many etc) to keep numbers healthy becuse if you kill them all off. Then 1) You’ve killed off a beautiful animal 2) they’ll be no more to hunt mine was rediclusly hard to hunt but great fun 3)yes even the tree hugers get to have a say. Yes you did hear me say beautiful but alas I think that you should respect what you kill good luck.

  • Ryan

    I think the anti whaling people are worse. I never get any hippies throwing stuff at me when am hunting (manily rabbits or foxes damm you Ireland) that could be cus am so well camflaged

  • Notsofast

    no, as usual, you hyper preservationists emotional train wreck wolf huggers are ill informed and ignorant (my guess is you’ve never seen a wolf, that’s normally how it goes. . The man is referring to the non-native freakishly huge canadian wolves that were dumped in the US in 1995. They are much bigger (commonly to 150 pounds) than our indigeneous wolves (70 to 80 pounds), as they evolved to hunt huge muskox moose and deal with massive snows and cover great distances.

    • Youagain

      as a result of their superior size, they have cut through our elk herds like a bandsaw and completely wiped out the moose herd of the tetons/Jackson Hole area. They are now extinct. For god’s sake get educated. Wolves belong in our wilderness areas but they need to be managed, not allowed to destroy all…ultimately the wolves will starve down to nothing but residual packs at the rate they are destroying everything

  • Kris Rawson

    Come meet me, so we can have a chat about how me and my family should die. 490 S abbs st Boise, ID 83705. 208-794-0242. I’ll bet you are a coward like all filthy leftists are. I’ll bet you wont even speak with me.

  • Kris Rawson

    Oh…..my…….God……. please do not reproduce. The human gene pool is already terribly tainted.

  • Anonymous

    If the wolf packs in your area have tracking collars, you have another option. Research the bands used in your area. Ask the hound hunters. Ask the game warden.

    It is illegal to use a scanner during the actual hunt. It is not illegal to use the scanner to warn you and your dogs of the presence of danger such as wolves or bear.Lets say that you want to search the 318Mhz band in the Seafoam, Idaho area. Using a high end scanner and a discone antenna – set the lower limit at 318.000 Mhz. Set the upper end at 319.000 Mhz. Set the scan space at .005 Mhz. Set the dwell time to 5 seconds. Set the mode to FM USB. The total sweep will take ~17 minutes if you don’t get a hit. If you do get a hit at say 318.625 Mhz, switch to a directional Yagi Antenna and follow the signal. Relative to distance – you can pick up the signal for ~10 miles line of sight. It will go down to 3 miles in rough canyons.

    Many scanners will write to memory. That means when it hears a signal it will open a memory channel and place the frequency it. You don’t need to be around for the scanner to get you the data.

    If you hear one beep per second, the collar has moved in the last 24 hours.
    If you hear two beeps per second, the collar has not moved for 24 hours.

    If you find a collar and want to turn it off – place it next to a car radio antenna.
    Place a strong magnet on a side of the collar and it will turn off.
    If it is a Lotek collar held together with allen screws, remove the screws and disconnect the battery connector.

    You can learn about the Lotek 3300L collars on lotek.com.

    Here are some southern Idaho bands to play with –
    218 Mhz – 220 Mhz – Wolves, Idaho
    148 Mhz – 153 Mhz – Deer, Elk, Idaho
    216 Mhz – 220 Mhz – Hound hunters

  • MIOutdoors

    That’s laughably ridiculous. How, exactly, could wolves tell that there are no men around? Have they evolved to search for the scent of cologne?

    Much of the wolf slaughter that went on when our ancestors came to this country was out of paranoia, and a very of the wolf as a “Satanic” animal. It’s not much different than the reason many cat owners are afraid of letting their black cats out around Halloween. People are fearful and ignorant.
    Many more innocent hikers or campers are killed by bears and cougars across the US, and yet they have not faced the rabid, fearful assassination that wolves have.
    The same with coyotes when it comes to housepets.
    Yes, wolves and coyotes are predators that lower deer and elk populations, but they also
    serve as a barrier to reduce the spread of contagious diseases such as
    chronic wasting sickness within populations.

    The fact that you took out this entire pack is nauseating and wasteful, especially since you targeted the alphas first.
    I have no problem with the hunting of heavy wolf populations for management, but that’s not management, and fails to in any way enforce the caution around humans in remaining populations that you clearly wish to create.

    I strongly encourage you to do some real scientific research on these animals before the next time you load your gun.

    • Guest

      This comment is in general to all who have left comments.
      As a first time reader to this site and with over 50 years of hunting experience I thought I might learn new…Man was that a joke!
      I am totally disgusted with the overall content and school grade lanquage that has been posted.
      It is apparent that many of you have no qualms about who might be reading this trash.. ie women and children who would like to take up the sport of hunting. And you have the gall to probably call yourselves hunters??

      In summary I will not waste any more of my time on this site because I have been here twice….The first time and the last! .

      • hunt_MT

        Well stated.  This should be less emotional and more informational.  Thank you.

  • Christiancnote

    My grandpa has wolves and now I have to hunt them

  • Fuck you idiots!!!

    And what about human hunt? I would like grab my gun and hunt you. you little nazi shits.

    • Pimpin_al08

      Do some time where they live and see how cool it is to have to lock up all your animals every night and find dead calves in the morning because there are to many wolves without proper management.

      • Vince

        There’s no such thing as too many wolves, I can see the annoyance but there are just too few wolves around today for hunts, but I guess as long as it’s done legally there’s nothing I can do

      • MP

        Sounds like you can’t properly manage the safety of your calves more like it. You seem to lock yourself up just fine, but not your calves? And people, whether in rural environments or urban ones lock themselves and their treasured possession up every night. As there’s a whole pile of sick fucks out there. No one is suggesting we go human hunting as a viable solution.

        • Pourboy

          It’s kind of hard to lock up 500 head of cattle every night you dumbass.

        • So called Sick F$#*

          Some people just dont understand that hunting was in our blood long before religion.(Im saying that hunting is in our blood line) Say we stop hunting the wolves, and they over populate and there is nothing we can do cause you had a law passed saying we cant. Are you going to be ok with being hunted everyday because they kill every wild animal and have nothing else to hunt but us?
           

        • CW2

          It seems like you enjoy passing judgement without facts. The wolves walk right into our driveways and have no regard for the locks and latches on the gates to our fences. My children can’t even take out the garbage after dark or walk to and from the barn during hours of darkness. I have no problems with the sick human individuals misguided enough to threaten my property and family as these wolves do. The difference is the wolves have not been hunted or taught to associate humans with danger and are instead seeking to dominate. The sick humans understand people living out here and increasingly throughout the U.S. are potentially armed and going to end their miserable existance. I certainly am armed and willing to put them out of their misery. 

        • Jst442

          ill hunt u u stupid slut….. fuck wolves my whole family got attacked by wolfs… while sleeping safe in there tents. my dad was against hunting wolves and now i dont have one.

        • Lovekillingawolf

          you’re an idiot….go back to hugging your tree and calling peta every 2 seconds and kissing wolves and having sex with buffalo…do some research before you start ranting and raving you obviously no nothing you ignorant idiot. PLEASE go cut off your dreds, take off the hemp, stop smoking all the weed that obviously makes you high off your ass and move out of your little condo in the subdivision and do some research and get back to the people like me that are gonna go get a tag, actually wait, my whole family and friends are going to go get tags, probably kill a pack or 2 mount em and put em on my wall…..eat that you little hippy peta douche bag!

    • James

      Nazi? Let me ask you a question…. When you buy a new Subaru does it come standard with Hate for ethical hunters??? The sad thing is your the same person that honors diversity on all levels but are the most ignorant with people that don’t believe the same things as you. Who is the Nazi? 

      • James

        Oh  yeah and I bet you don”t even own a proper gun. cause your the same person that wants the right to own a gun taken away. You don’t got to lie to kick it!

    • Lovekillingawolf

      you’re a DUMB MOTHER FUCKER….why don’t you go do some research and come back later. If you knew anything about wolves or livestock or hunting or guns ya wouldn’t be posting shit….not to mention if you don’t want to learn how to hunt a wolf why are you on this site anyway…go call peta or hug a tree or KISS a wolf and see how great they are then when they rip your throat out and gut YOU. You ignorant, simple bitch.

    • B-dawg

      How about we live, and let live dude? That’s something you liberal statist types don’t seem to understand, so here goes… we’ll go hunt a wolf if we want to, and you can go move to San Francisco and suck a dick if you want to.
      Deal???

    • Green

      What does this have to do with WWII?  This is North American Hunting, not history class.  And if you can handle a gun well then bring it in princess it’ll be your mistake.   

      Great article thanks to the Author.

  • Pimpin_al08

    Very knowledgeable advice. I use the same tactics.

  • Vince

    You can’t blame the animal for eating, it doesn’t know that it’s harming farmers when they make a kill, they are only thinking of food.

  • michael nearing

    So, do ya feel better now? Here’s an idea, let’s broadcast everything we know about hunting and all the tricks we’ve learned that have resulted in our success so that every time we go out for a hunt, there are dozens of other hunters in the woods goofing things up. When will we learn…

    Of course this is all about money. You probably work for the game department and your next raise or your retainment is dependant upon revenue generated by tag sales.
    It’s the same with all the other gear manufactures who are getting rich advertizing and producing DVDs. Every wannabe Nimrod is exposed and each season, we are fighting more and more people in the woods. I sincerely hope that hunting gets so expensive someday soon that only the serious hunters will spend their dollars to get out and enjoy what was once a more enjoyable hobbie.

    Just a thought.

  • MP

    Um, so you respect the wolf (or so you say) but then hunt it and kill it? What kind of insane logic is that?
    And if you really want to hunt wolves how about you be a real man and do it with no weapons. If you’re too shit scared, then leave the wolves the fuck alone.

    • Lovekillingawolf

      you’re a DUMB MOTHER FUCKER….why don’t you go do some research and come back later. If you knew anything about wolves or livestock or hunting or guns ya wouldn’t be posting shit….not to mention if you don’t want to learn how to hunt a wolf why are you on this site anyway…go call peta or hug a tree or KISS a wolf and see how great they are then when they rip your throat out and gut YOU. You ignorant, simple bitch.

      • Lovekillingawolfisabitch

        You really do care that much about the livestock? They are just cloned animals that can easily kill you!

    • Pimpin_al08

      I don’t know which is dumber, you writing this gay bull shit, or me actually taking the time to read this. MP you’re a Fuckin idiot, do humanity a favor and tape yourself to a bike and ride it into a river, dumbass

    • Bush Man

      Be sure to let all the ranchers to know that they should start killing their cattle by hand as well.

    • killemall

      http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_007.htm; look at the picture at the bottom of the page and tell me who is shit scared. After reading your post i think ill go make some cyanide meat balls for my “hike this afternoon”.

    • Terranryan

      You obviously don’t live in the country or have a ranch in Idaho. Try being in their position then talk.

    • idahohunter

      You must live by the “ignorance is bliss” creedo?  Get out in the woods and see for yourself what it’s all about before you accuse hunters of being insane.  And wear a diaper, I doubt you can handle an actual encounter with a wolf; if you’re smart enough that is, to figure out how to see one in the frst place.

  • WoofWoof

    You sick and twisted villians. A wolf saved my life, but a dickhead with a flash hunting gun nearly took it, because apparently, I kinda look like a elk.

    • Live4therut

      I am glad that a wolf saved your life.  I hope that he did it by jumping in front of the bullet that the other gentleman shot at you, but then you could that this gentleman saved your life by shooting that wolf.  I guess its all about perception.

    • Foxracer7901

      a wolf saved your life? are F—–G KIDDING ME? The wolf probably thought you were an elk too. you moron. The hunter just decided to bag a wolf instead of a “ELK”. Take your preconceived tree hugging ideas back to your boyfriends house and stick them up your a$$. F—–g MORON!!

  • 8-a-Vegan

    Well at our ranch in Idaho we’ve decided that the best way to hunt wolves is with baits.  Unfortunately that is not allowed.  So what we have done is to organize a “Save the Wolves” picnic.  We already have 37 people that have said they will come and we expect a lot more.

    The idea is that when these eco-nuts show up and we start cooking the tofu burgers and vegamite dogs the sounds and smells will be more than any wolf will be able to resist.  While the tree huggers are feeling like they are actually doing something useful (hah!) we will have hunters in each of our six stands out from the periphery of our picnic.  Then as the wolves start circling the party we can pick of one or two.

    We think the idea will not only be successful but we will be able to give some leftist nut jobs a little shock and awe.

    We’ve each got two tags and three trapping permits.  I’ll let you know how it turns out.

    • Canadian Bow Hunter

      roflmao

    • The Hammer

      Can’t stop laughing

    • Bobbyt

      Ahaa, that’s funny! You used ignorance and lies against other people to accomplish your goal! And bagging your claim from a distance, without having to fear any danger? BRILLIANT! Such a creative and brave man like yourself should be in politics. You’d fit right in!

      • Muskrat

        The amazeing thing is you think he realy has a plan…..it’s a JOKE STUPID!!!

    • Angelaangelwolf

      You’re a sick individual. I thought hunting meant going out working hard to fi your prey. Not tricking innocent people and animals to a masacre.

    • Stargaze400

      I think you are a little out of touch……get educated!!

    • wlfwmn

      Thanks for the warning I’ll make sure all us tree huggers are aware of your stupid plan. Yeah it’s a joke most of us tree huggers have an IQ higher than 10 unlike you….

  • Americanpatriot

    Sounds like good Wolf hunting tactics are much like Coyote calling.  Thanks for the info
    I will be one of those guys out calling for Wolfe com Sept.  220 Swift is my chosen gun since 1982.  I have a saying  ” If I have to skin it or pluck it to eat it, I don’t want to shoot it.”  Environmentalist include.

  • acsayre

    Do coyote yelps/howler calls work on wolves?

  • Bob

    Electronic calls are legal in Idaho.  And wolves may be hunted incidentally while hunting for bears over bait.

  • Mtman

    Wolves are very smart and beautiful creatures. So are Elk and Moose. They are all magnificent animals. I have enjoyed hunting and consider it part of my heritage. My family has been hunting since they homesteaded in Montana in the early 1900′s. Its my way of life and it provides a source of food. In addition, I enjoy the recreation and the thrill of hunting. Most hunters do. Hunting is a legal and useful way of controlling populations of animals. With the introduction of wolves we have lost balance in our system. I am no longer able to hunt elk freely in the areas my family has been hunting for years. This has come along solely with the wolf reintroduction. The wolves have reduced herds of elk by 75% in the areas I hunt. To me this is a problem. The current population of wolves at the current time is too high for healthy populations of elk and moose. Whether or not you support hunting you should see this as a problem. I would love to have some wolves around and see their role in the ecosystem, but it does need to be controlled and currently the FWP has decided hunting is a good method to control populations of wolves. I understand that some people do not believe in hunting and do not participate in it, but I would appreciate it if you would respect my legal right to hunt. I thank you for your insights into how to successfully hunt wolves. I hope their populations can be brought down to a level that will provide safety to humans, livestock, moose, and elk. 

    http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_5ff01772-938f-11de-9aca-001cc4c03286.html

    http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_d12c9f04-7bbb-58b0-ac96-8fcabd9853ee.html?mode=image

    • Stargaze400

      I live in the woods year round and I hunt elk, deer and chase mt. lion, bobcat and bear with my dogs.  I have talked to fish and game about elk and your figures of 75% loss of elk are inacurate.  We need the wolf to move the elk around so that they don’t over populate and over graze.  If you arn’t finding elk, it is because THE POPULATIONS ARE NOT DOWN……THEY ARE JUST MOVIN AROUND!!  Now is your chance to be a real hunter!!  This is the way the balance of nature has always worked.  Don’t buy into the “witch hunt” of false rumors.  Do your due diligence.  Watch “Lords of Nature.”

      • wlfwmn

        YES! Someone with knowledge and purpose to prove that wolves are vital….

      • dean

        there is no such thing as a “balance of nature” if there was we would still have the same animals living here that we had at the end of the last ice age. we dont

      • Muskrat

        Oh come on Mr.”I live in the woods year round” you are a liar, you know it, and so do we. The crap you write makes that so plane a blind man could see it. The Elk do move around more, that dosn’t mean there are not fewer of them. Don’t watch some damn show that will brainwash you (if you had a brain that is) GET OUT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF! Go look in the real woods, not the ones your nieghbor planted where you live in the city. So…just how many bears and mt.lions, has your poodle treed anyway? City Slicker ain’t ya? On second thought, stay there, we don’t need you getting lost in the woods.

  • Mungojeerie

    I saw two wolves yesterday briefly while trolling for deer and grouse… let me tell tell you they were massive, true giants of the Canadian North. no tag required and a bag limit of 3… but not a chance at getting a shot off.

    Called coyotes with an electronic coyote howl and challenge call one night in the pitch black off the tailgate of the camper while moose hunting just to see if I could get some to call back. What I got was a lone wolf howl which seemed to be right beside me. I know what you mean about making the hair on the back of a burly mans neck stand up. I was in that camper and had the door shut so fast. Creeped me out, not what I was expecting at all!

    Thanks for the info.

  • http://bestbinocularsforthemoney.com/20/best-binoculars-for-the-money Artifact

    Good article.  I am thinking about going out this weekend.  I have an electronic varmint call that I might use; if it is legal like the commenter before stated, I better check the regs.  I am thinking a bow for my main weapon with a rifle back up.

  • hunter_pussy

    f you pussy-hunters. you lack balls so you want to feel like you have some by killing some beautiful wild animals

    • idahohunter

      Wow. Maybe you should experience first-hand the devastation the wolves are having on the elk, deer and moose in north-central Idaho. Wolves are beautiful yes, but we (man) are the idiots that relocated the large canadian wolves to Idaho so we are responsible to respectfully eliminate those we can for the betterment of the environment as a whole. I don’t like the idea of having to kill them either, but there are a lot more wolves than are documented and like it or not, it has to be done.  Hey- knowledge is power, you should try it before you write ignorant babble.

      • Stargaze400

        I have been an idaho hunter for 30 years and at least 15 of those have been with wolves.  It is my experience that what has put the dent in the elk population is of the two legged variety……not the wolves.  Yes…..a wolf may eat an elk or deer once in awhile….but that’s what wolves do.  We need our preditors to keep the balance of this eco system alive.  Yellowstone investigations of the wolves have already proven this.

        “You ain’t seen nothing yet” till you realize the impact of thousands of snare traps (starting after 11-15-11) that will make most recreating with bird dogs, hunting dogs and wildlife a monumental travesty.  I have chosen not to take the risk.  Let nature balance itself out and let all the FEAR tactics of Idahoans be gone  Nature does it for us.

        There are also ways to live with the wolves in regard to sheep, etc.  More people need to learn how to do this rather than to try to always be in control. 

        • Muskrat

          Trapping is nothing new, there has been snares in the woods as long as there have been people in the woods. Wolf snares are set with the bottom of the snare knee high, too tall for your hound dogs. Coyote snares are perfect hight to catch your dog, but they have been out there long before you or even your grandfather was born. This is not a new threat in any way.

      • Ehorn

        I agree with you idahohunter! I own a cabin in northern idaho and never had wolves near my place! I have seen what they can do they kill for fun. when I see a huge elk that could feed my family for a year killed and only the heart eaten and the rest left it makes me mad. If you are going to complain please do your homework read facts not fiction and learn then when you know something get back to us.

  • Nitronerd

    Here is link to the rules for the 2011-2012 wolf hunting season in Idaho. Ive checked and the use of electronic calls is now allowed.

    http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/docs/rules/wolfRules.pdf

  • Stargaze400

    I am a year round hound hunter.  I have heard a constant uproar about the wolves. Personally, the wolves have never been a problem for me………but what has been a problem for me are trappers with snares and traps.
    I have lost two dogs to snares and now starting this tues, (11/15/11)I will stop what I love doing most in fear of the  1000′s of snares that will be set because of this new trapping frenzy for wolves in my hunting areas. (not to mention other wildlife,deer and pets). Has anyone stopped to realize that the ramifications of these actions will far outwight the few wolf problems that been reported????!!! Would like feed back…..Kevin

    • Ehorn

      The type of wolves that are here now are not native to idaho. The planted wolves are the gray wolf and native is a timber wolf. The Gray wolf is bigger and nothing like a timber they kill for fun not just to eat. They should have been regulated! If a person thinks they have no impact on hunting or the animal numbers they are wrong. I think the wolves can help keep things in order and take out the sick and weak but who will keep the wolf numbers undercontrol? Man! Like it or not the wolf is here and we are regulating them now in the form of hunting!

      • Stargaze400

        How do you think things stayed in balance before we got here?  Nature is perfect and it will take care of itself. I have no problem with hunting wolves…..I just think trapping is barbaric and should be outlawed.  Too much collateral damage….(including my own dogs).

    • Muskrat

      OK Kevin, heres your feedback. Where do you live? Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, or someplace else? What county and what hunting unit? Wolf trapping is limited in most of the state of Idaho, I don’t believe it is even legal in Montana or Wyoming yet.I have been a trapper for more than 30 years, I know what I’m talking about. If you knew anything about trapping, you would know that a wolf snare is set with the bottom of the snare at or above knee level. Your dogs are not as tall as a wolf and will walk right under them safely. Wolf snares in Idaho and Alaska are required to have divertion wires attached that shove the snare out of the way of elk, and moose. A deer is borderline, if it is set right,they should be safe, if it’s not, you could catch a deer. The snares are also required to have a break away device that will not hold a moose or elk. Again it will likely hold a deer. If the trapper knows what he is doing, you should not catch deer, trap placement is very important. We trappers don’t want to catch deer or other non-target animals and do our best to avoid it. If you are haveing trouble with snares and your dogs (if you realy do have hounds) it is Coyote snares you are finding, not wolf snares. Coyote snares are placed with the bottom of the snare about 12 inches off the ground…perfect hight to catch a dog. We do our best not to catch dogs, but it dose happen.I have dogs of my own, I would not want them caught. Pet dogs should be kept close to the dog owner or even on a leash in the winter months, there are traps of all kinds out there. Hunting hounds are loose hunting and away from the owner…and in danger of traps. As YOU said in one of your other posts “it’s the risk you take turning cattle out in wolf country” , same thing with your hounds. Trapping is not a new thing, it has been here since this country was new, the early Mountain Men were here to trap. Long before the citys, towns and hound hunters. Wolf snares pose no threat to your hounds, coyote snares, leghold traps of all kinds including wolf traps, do. Some of my wolf traps can’t be set without a setting tool, I don’t want to catch a dog or anything except a wolf, I take great care to set these traps as far away from people and places I would exspect to have trouble. If there is any question, I don’t set the trap. To say that all trappers care as much as I do would be a lie, if you are going to run your dogs in the winter, be carefull where you turn them out. Again, this is nothing new, there has allways been trappers and traps in the woods.If you can’t deal with it, take up a new hobby, knitting maybe….

  • Tdeeks

    Your a stud!  Keep up the good work and don’t let the ladies men stop the good fight.  Just think…if we let murders out of prison in califonia or released rats in cites how those folks would feel…while atleast that how I feel about wolves.  In conclusion, wolves ruined a generation of hunting for me and I take this perosnally because it is my passion….so to all of you wolf loves… I will shoot one more for you hahahahah…

    • Stargaze400

      You are lacking much information about wolves.  Do your do diligence.  Wolves are a necessary part of our eco system. If you are referring to hunting elk, the two legged kind have killed more elk than wolves.  This is what wolves do and they don’t do it near as well as man.  If you arn’t shooting enough elk, its because they have learned how to elude you better than you know. There is no shortage. Don’t buy into the old montras and “big bad wolf stories” if you seek  the truth.

      Check out how people are learning to live with the wolf who have livestock and how eliminating the wolf from Yellowstone severly effected everything there…..to the point they had to reintroduce the wolf again. Its called the balance of nature.  Hope you are ready for the mine field of snares. This will be all of our problem down the road…..because they kill everything.

  • Benedict

    Ha, guns.

  • Joshua Albins

    Regulation, is the proper means of dealing with the wolves. I live in wyoming where the state and the feds are fighting about hunting them, now with that being said I am so far from being a PETA member as Hanabal Lector as you can get. I am an avid bow hunter, just Killed a mountain lion 2 days ago. but in reality I don’t think there is a one of you out there that wouldn’t mind seeing a heard of buffalo roaming the prarries. but of course the cattle ranchers would blow a gasket if a wild buffalo came in contact with one of their  precious cows. so what is the difference between seeing a pack of wolves in your hunting area doing what wolves do, and seeing a heard of buffalo. Yes I am looking forward to the day that I can go out and hunt for them. but extermination is not the answer if you talk to any outdoorsman they will tell that they all need killed and the majority upwards of 99% of them havent even seen one. now yes I am on this web site looking for information as to how to hunt them looking forward to the day that I can go kill one. not trying to start a fight with anyone but think about it… the buffalo will never be released back into the wild because of brucilocus infecting the cattle, why reintroduce the wolf unregulated… what kind of sence does that make? It Is All About Reguation not Extermination.
     

    sorry just ranting
     

  • Doc.243

    Headed for Bozeman, Mt. to hunt wolves on a few cattle ranches that are having problems an hour or so out from Bozeman.  I hope to take at least one to help out the wolf lovers fear that the wolves won’t have enough to eat; one less mouth to feed will make it better for the rest of the wolf pack.  I have taken 50 coyotes this year and will use my expert techniques to improve my chances after reading this article.  Thanks for the tips these work well in Californis for coyotes too…no difference.

    • Stargaze400

      I am a year round hound hunter.  I have never had any porblem with wolves.  They are a necessary prediter.  It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf.  Sheep and cattle ranchers have been using great pyreneese dogs with amazing success.  We need to try to live in harmony because destroying them will effect the whole ecosystem…..right down to frogs and trees as discovered in Yellowstone.   Not one documented human death by woves in the lowere 48.  Watch “The Lords of Nature.”
      Now…….I have to deal with the REAL PROBLEM……a minefied of snares!!! that is an instant death for my dogs.  We need to stop the with hunt and become educated.

      • Riehl361

        Just by reading your post I can tell your a non hunter. Against hunting and trapping. Stay in the city.

        • Stargaze400

          It is ONLY because I live in the woods year round (hunting elk, deer, bobcats. bear and mt. lion with dogs) that I offer opinions from MY OWN EXPERIENCE.  I used to be like you. Do your due dilignece…..then we can have a conversation. 

          • Muskrat

            My spelling ain’t the best, but come on boy, at least TRY! You claim to live in the woods year ’round? Do you pick a banjo too? I think I’ve seen you…….

      • Muskrat

        I have caught several hunting hounds in my snares, Not one was dead. If they have been tied up,(most hounds are) they don’t usaly fight a snare. The last one I caught, I used the snare as a leash to get back to the truck. I returned it to the owner unharmed. Some do die in snares, I’ve never had it happen. It is not the sure “instant” death you describe. I guess it’s OK for wolves to kill folks like that school teacher in Alaska, as long as it’s not in the lower 48.I do not believe you are a hound hunter, or a hunter of any sort. You, I believe are nothing but a sniveling, dirty little liar.

      • tmont

        you need to stop and shut up, you dont know what your talking about and like to pretend that your a hunter. i hate listening to people like you, up here in montana we are true hunters and actually have to try walking miles and miles for our elk through the mountain and the wolves are just destroying the populations of elk and deer…..you’re and idiot, this is coming from a life long hunter and currently going to school for wildlife biology and know everything about the wolves here

      • Redneck

        Yeah your wolves in Yellowstone have devistated the elk heard there. Now they will probably have to reintroduce elk into Yellowstone cause the wolves are unmanaged and kill everything

    • Bigskyfishing

      any luck? i live in the bozeman area and have also been looking

  • Stargaze400

    Was that supposed to be funny????  Not lauphing……

    • Sick of you!

      Nope, thats the truth, not your “Lords of Nature” bullshit!

  • Stargaze400

    Take away the pine trees and the wolf and see where that leaves you…..Get educated!

  • Stargaze400

    They were here first.  There are ways to live with the wolf.  Don’t be stuck on stupid and educate yourself. The rumor mill is alive and healthy!!!

  • Stargaze400

    Hunters are needed and wolves are needed.  They can live in harmony……but man has to get educated to do so.  They were in balance just fine before we came……now we have to make the necessary changes to co-exist…..and believe me, these are the classes we need to be teaching hunters and ranchers…..not how to set a snares with high collateral damage for all.

  • Stargaze400

    The bible was writen by man…….not Jesus.  These excerts are called parabels….not to be taken literally.

  • Stargaze400

    I am a year round hound hunter.  I have never had any problem with wolves.  They are a necessary predator.  It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf.  Sheep and cattle ranchers have been using great pyreneese dogs with amazing success.  We need to try to live in harmony because destroying them will effect the whole ecosystem…..right down to frogs and trees as discovered in Yellowstone.   Not one documented human death by wolves in the lower 48.  Watch “The Lords of Nature.”
    Now…….I have to deal with the REAL PROBLEM……a mine field of snares!!! that is an instant death for my dogs.  We need to stop the witch hunt and become educated.
     

  • Stargaze400

    I am a year round hound hunter.  I have never had any problem with wolves.  They are a necessary predator.  It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf.  Sheep and cattle ranchers have been using great pyreneese dogs with amazing success.  We need to try to live in harmony because destroying them will effect the whole ecosystem…..right down to frogs and trees as discovered in Yellowstone.   Not one documented human death by wolves in the lower 48.  Watch “The Lords of Nature.”
    Now…….I have to deal with the REAL PROBLEM……a mine field of snares!!! that is an instant death for my dogs.  We need to stop the witch hunt and become educated.
     

  • Stargaze400

    I am a year round hound hunter.  I have never had any problem with wolves.  They are a necessary predator.  It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf.  Sheep and cattle ranchers have been using great pyreneese dogs with amazing success.  We need to try to live in harmony because destroying them will effect the whole ecosystem…..right down to frogs and trees as discovered in Yellowstone.   Not one documented human death by wolves in the lower 48.  Watch “The Lords of Nature.”
    Now…….I have to deal with the REAL PROBLEM……a mine field of snares!!! that is an instant death for my dogs.  We need to stop the witch hunt and become educated.
     

    • Muskrat

      OH for hell sakes……..SHUT UP!!!

  • Stargaze400

    I am a year round hound hunter.  I have never had any problem with wolves.  They are a necessary prediter.  It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf.  Sheep and cattle ranchers have been using great pyreneese dogs with amazing success.  We need to try to live in harmony because destroying them will effect the whole ecosystem…..right down to frogs and trees as discovered in Yellowstone.   Not one documented human death by woves in the lower 48.  Watch “The Lords of Nature.”
    Now…….I have to deal with the REAL PROBLEM……a minefied of snares!!! that is an instant death for my dogs.  We need to stop the witch hunt and become educated.show more

    • 3 Pine Ranch

      Apparently you don’t own cattle to make your living.Your ecosystem was fine before the re-introduction of your pets you just didn’t know it. Pretty hard to prove a wolf kill of my cattle until I gather up out of the mountains in the fall and realize the numbers are down. Do you know of the parasite that wolves carry that will ill and kill all mammals that breath ? Look into it. Elk numbers vanishing in the Bitter Root not from direct kills but respratory failure. OOPs I was suppose to be quiet ! Hope FWP and you huggers are happy now. You may see a revolution someday and I will be on the front line. Just heard about another livestock kill in Clancy MT. 4 cows dead 12 wounded. ” It IS possible to live in harmony with the wolf ” .  Maybe we all should be vegetarians and no more argument. Ok time to shut up.

      • Stargaze400

        By the way….I am not a vegetarian.  I get my deer and elk every year just like you do……So stay with me now……

        There are many preditors in wild life that kill cattle……(my wife was raised on a cattle ranch) and I’m sure they kill their share of elk too….. That is what they do….this is what balances a healthy eco system (which you obviously have no concern for)  Cattle are the exception but this is the risk when turning them into the mountains.  There are ways to balance even this if you become educated. 
        Are you sure your facts are straight about elk vanishing from the Bitter Roots….or is this coming from some disgruntled hunter that didn’t bag his catch this year?  I have the statistics from F&G.  There were 15,000
        tags issued for cow and bull elk in just my unit alone.  Not the act of decling elk herds.
        Wolves move the elk around so they don’t over graze.  Mountain lions love cattle too.  Are you going to exterminate them?  There is no evidence that any parasite from wolves are killing cattle….not more than your own dog can give a cow.  All canines are subject to the same parasites. The lung parsites are actually transmitted from larve in the manure and can be found in wet grasses in moderate climates.  Are the cows eating wolves to aquire these parasites? If the wolves arn’t physically around the cows unless they are eating them….how are they spreading this so called parasite to healthy cows? Just some food for thought.  Don’t buy into ALL the montras that you hear…..

        • 3 Pine Ranch

          http://saveelk.com/wolf_081.htm 

          Just remember one important fact about your reviving ecosystem.It will never be balanced as it was 150 years ago because of domestication that now exists. Cattle, sheep, fences ,roads ,towns, people. If you have a completely incapsulated wilderness, then maybe there could remotely be a balanced ecosystem.Is killing cattle and sheep part of the balance ? 25 elk permits in the Bitter Roots is what I was told and I can’t honestly tell you what area. There was a hunter that did kill a bull elk in the area and it was infected with cysts in the lungs from the parasite ,checked by FWP biologist. I have watched wolves kill a Caribou in Alaska and there was know evidence left in 1 hour. The chances of a rancher finding and proving all his livestock that have been killed by predators is slim.
            I do believe that re-introduction could have its benefits in places like Yellowstone and some wilderness areas. There is no place for wolves in domestic livestock areas in my opinion. The FWP need to be honest with the public and agressive to eradicate. Our main ranch operation is not considered in the mountains and barely in the foot hills. We saw a wolf today hanging around the cattle. They are here and we know more will come. We cannot have another responsibility of this calibur to survive this economy slump.

        • Muskrat

          Wow, you realy need to do your homework. First, look at the elk numbers in Yellowstone park 10 years ago and comapare them to today. Ask Idaho /Montana/Wyoming Fish and Game if wolves have hurt Elk numbers. Then study up on the hydated tape worm. I’ve found them in 3 elk so far. It needs 2 hosts to complete it’s life cycle. The deer, elk,cattle,and horses pick it up grazeing where wolves,dogs, coyotes, fox, bears,and mountain lions have craped. It can be picked up airborn by you, or your dogs if you so much as kick a wolf turd as you are walking. The wolves and other dog type predators get it by eating the elk,deer and other infected animals. They can also get it by simply sniffing a wolf turd. It can lay dormant for several years. I have studied up on this for good reason. The first time I saw it was in an elk my hunter shot (I’m a hunting guide). The lungs looked like a sack full of grapes. Grape size purple balls. Not knowing what they were, I cut into one, they are highly pressurized and pop in the mouth of the wolves triggering a swallow reflex. It squrited me in the eye…….believe me, I’ve studied up on this! They say you can’t get it from the deer/elk but you can from the wolves. Something to do with the stage in the life cycle. Still it scares the hell out of me. It should you too, if you truly do have hounds, you CAN get it from them.

    • SICK OF YOU!

      OH FOR HELL SAKES!! DAMN I’M TIRED OF HEARING YOUR BULLSHIT AND LIES…… YEAR ROUND HUNTER MY ASS!!!

  • Stargaze400

    3 Pine Ranch reply from stargaze400:
    I understand your concerns. I am not against gunning for wolves.  I am against all the collateral damage from snares and traps…..not to mention my sport is basiclly on hold.  Just yesterday, not even a half mile from my home, we found a deer in an unmarked snare.  Where I hunt my dogs, a guy is trapping.  So far he has trapped one cayote and two deer.  This is my biggest complaint. 
    As far as parasites…..I now know of which you are talking about….but I feel it is completely blown out of perportion just like “the big bad wolf frenzy” that is going on. This is where only nature can work things out.  Usually when we start playing God…we manage to  muddled everything when it comes to balancing nature……again……watch “Lords of Nature” for a complete understanding of this.
    I do stand corrected on the 15,000  tags in my unit. I made a typo slip….That was for the whole state of Idaho……but If we really wanted to address an elk problem, we would stop killing cows. duh!!!
    .
    In the old days, a cowboy used to keep an eye on the herds when they were let out to range. Add a great pyrenees to the mix and I guarantee your numbers will go up. Maybe this will have to be your sacrifice to co-exist with wildlife….lets face it….it was here long before your cattle were. Have to work it out like I am with the snares…

    • 3 Pine Ranch

      If I could economically spend enough time with my cattle to watch for preditors I would totally enjoy. It is not possible . Ranches have vanished into larger and fewer ranches . Again economics. I’m talking original ranches and farms that have passed through generations. We do pasture against forest service and I believe that the wolves will always be a problem in those areas. When I see a wolf pack 20 miles from the timber stalking livestock I get furious. We have established an infrastucture that works and don’t need to worry about something killing the livestock that has never been there before.{at least 100 years} Also there is a big difference from when wolves were here before and in co-exsistance with farms and ranches.{1900′s} There were way more people in the rural to watch for trouble. We live on a bench platue that once had 28 seperate farms and house holds. Now there is 2 . The change in times has created this and hard to watch for problems and most of the time too late if there is a preditor problem.
        I will look into the pyrenees. Just can’t help but wonder about how one would fair against a whole pack ??
        Sorry to hear about the snares giving trouble . That would be frustrating . Don’t hear about it around here much. Take care.

      • Stargaze400

        The sheep and cattle ranches that are using them usually have 3 or 4 great pyeneese…..If you want “Lords of Nature” I will find a way to get it to you…..

        • Muskrat

          Quit preching your “Lord of Nature” bullshit. It’s made by idiots like you that sugar coat , and twist the truth, untill it’s nowhere close to the truth.

      • Bigskyfishing

        I live in SW Montana would be willing to travel to your ranch and take one of those big bad wolf off your hands.  the wolf I shoot today, might allow a elk to be taken in the future by my grandsons.

    • Muskrat

      One or two dogs are no match for a pack of wolves. If it were as easy as you seem to think, we wouldn’t be haveing problems. The rangeland around Salmon Idaho is steep,heavy woodlands.The open range here is not open as far as seeing very far. This is not the great plaines, it’s the mountains of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming we are talking about. One of the ranchers I worked for had 750 pairs of cattle. (A pair is a cow and a calf, then you also need a dozen or more bulls that I didn’t count) These cattle will spread out over miles of country. It would not be possible to guard them no matter how hard you tryed. The cattlemen here tryed that in the late 1990′s (the wolves had only been here a few years then) the rider they hired had to sleep sometime, and the cattle were spread out far enough, they still had losses. They no longer have a full time rider, it didn’t do any good anyway. Guard dogs are not an option here either. The country is too rough,and dogs need to be fed too. These wolves are as big as the dogs and outnumber them, they wouldn’t stand a chance. You would have dead dogs as well as dead cattle.

  • Doc.243

    To Three Pine Ranch owner, are you anywhere near Bozeman?

  • Ronhazard

    If elk and deer hunters don’t start taking wolf hunting seriously, at least here in Idaho where you can see the decline of big game easily, there won’t be big game to hunt very soon. 

    • Stargaze400

      There is no more shortage of elk than usual.  The wolves force them to move around more so they don’t overgraze…….nature at work.  You just have to become a better hunter…..but watch out for snares.  You may find an elk in one of those!!!……Barbaric and inhumane.  Wise up Fish and Game. 

      • Jeffbob45

        Stargaze400,
           You are an idiot.  The wolves are devistating the elk and deer herds.  I was recently 10 days in an area I have hunted for 30 years.  There were almost no elk left.  Wolves were howling every night.  I am sorry you hate elk and deer and moose so much that you want them all brutally killed by these savage creatures that routinely take hours or days to finally make a kill.

      • Ronhazard

        Stargaze… where do you hunt? How many days did you scout or hunt? Same elk numbers? Overgraze, are you crazy? The elk move to where? Deep snow in the mountain west forces elk and deer to move down into lower drainages, where they are concentrated. There humans can count them and wolves can easily find and kill them, either by dragging them down or by stressing them beyond recovery. 

      • elk hunt 3230

        How long have you been hunting?  There is a huge shortage of elk, just the other day I counted 213 head. There were only six calves. So dont say that there isnt a shortage, until you know the facts. Between the fish and game selling to many tags and the wolves, If something dont happen soon hunting seasons will have to be closed.

        • Muskrat

          That is exactly right. The studies the anti hunters are so fond of,only count numbers. I’m not sure how long the average elk or deer lives in the wild, but if there are few if any calves, the numbers will drop. They have to replace the old with the new, at least in Idaho thats not happening. 15-20 years ago a herd of 100 elk would have 30-50 calves, now there are only 6-10 in the same size herd. Not all of those would live even if there were no wolves. Theres a lot of other things they can die from. I’m not agaist the wolves, it gives a new sence of “adventure” to a hunting trip when you hear them howl, it adds one more animal for us to hunt also. If they are not controlled the same as everything else, it will all come crashing down and we won’t have anything. I will hunt untill the day I die, I just hope there will be something bigger than mice.

      • wlfwmn

        good form….

      • Muskrat

        WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Not going to happen moron.

    • wolfmoon21

      yes there will quit your bitching

      • Montanakid

        You are a fucking moron wolfmoon21….

  • Anonymous

    Hey everyone, would appreciate some information on the dressing out of a wolf, once I am lucky enough to get one. As far as MT law goes the meat is declared inedible, but how should one dress/cape the animal if one plans on having the hide tanned?

    “Anyone that would give up a little freedom for a little security, would deserve neither and loose both.” -Ben Franklin

    • Stargaze400

      Oh…..like eves dropping on our personal phone calls (Patriot act)?????? sorry about that.  The wolves still have a roll as a necessary preditor that effects both you and me in ways you can not know.  get educated.

       If you do catch one and want to tan it….turn paws, legs, tail and head inside out (to preserve full rug) to scrape all meat off hide. ( Leave no meat anywhere). Cut down the middle for rug anal to tip of under chin……or leave whole and put on a stretcher to scrape and cut later. You can stitch up any bullet holes with tough thread before tanning.

      • Beefbonger

        Thanks for the help… actually I have this quote on stand-by whenever anyone brings up the marriage issue (bachelor and all)… but I think even old Ben would admit its quite a versatile quote. I appreciate the comment/help.

        “Anyone that would give up a little freedom for a little security, would deserve neither and loose both.” -Ben Franklin

    • Gschuitt

      Alaska Sea hunter here, from Alaska. I recommend taking the critter directly to the taxidermist. The other option is to hang em him by the back legs and cut from rear paw to rear paw, cut around the anus and cut through the tail bone. Once you release the hide from the rear you can turn them inside out. Roll the hide down in a tube. Cut the front leg bone off and turn the feet inside out. It gets a little tricky around the lips, eyes and mouth so have razer sharp knife and take your time.

      This method will allow you to have a full life size mount or a simple tanned hide.

      ASH

      • Beefbonger

        Awesome, Very Much Appreciated. Thanks… 
        “Anyone that would give up a little freedom for a little security, would deserve neither and loose both.” -Ben Franklin

    • your welcome

      well just like a deer just skin the animal like any thing else and gut it just like you would to a deer or elk

  • Copperhounds

    Looking to hunt in south central Idaho, North west of Idaho City. It appears there are several packs in the area, but no one seems to be taking Wolves out of that area, any one been hunting this area?

    • shoot4fur

      I have been out a bit, but only walking and covering a lot of country, hope to get out and do some calling(: see if it will work for me. best of luck to you other guys who are doing your part to save a moose, and as many elk as you can. I to am a houndsman, the real deal, I will let a cat walk, and love to see them in the tree only to take pictures, but I also know that once in a while, one needs to fall..

  • predhunter

    just wondering about the electronic calls. the state of montana says you cant use them but this article says you can. anyone know the truth

    • Trapper

      I just reread the regs, and they clearly state that you cannot use any recorded, electronically amplified calls, or animal sounds to aid in the hunting of wolves. That sucks, my Foxpro would love a crack at a wolf!

  • Stargaze400

     
     Just heard that a guy trapped a wolf on the St. Joe in Idaho with a leg hold.  The wolf got away by tugging and finally chewed his foot off…….Proud?!?
    No……Barbaric!!

         “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ~Mahatma Gandhi

  • Stargaze400

    Just heard that a guy trapped a wolf on the St. Joe in Idaho with a leg hold.  The wolf got away by tugging and finally chewed his foot off…….Proud?!?
    No……Barbaric!!

         “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ~Mahatma Gandhi

    • Ansleymcmahon

      they can be in your face if you want them to be let people hunt and trap them whats wrong with you 

      • Ansleymcmahon

        lol 

      • Stargaze400

        I used to kill everything in sight as a hound hunter…..until one day…..I realize it was far more interesting to watch these animals alive and appreciate and notice the amazing balance of nature.  I still see sign of wolves periodically. when chasing mountain lion, bobcat and bear…I tree them….then let them go.  They will always be there to chase next week. A dead one won’t…. I used to be like you…..until I wasnt’!

        • Muskrat

          Don’t you get tired of lieing? I bet the “woods ” you live in year ’round were planted by your neighbors wife next door. Come back and write some more after you learn how.

    • dean

      gandhi was a racist

    • Muskrat

      If what you hear is true, the trapper didn’t know his buisness. If done right it just dosn’t happen that way. I have been a trapper for 35 years, how much do you really know about trapping?

      • Muskrat

        Anouther thing, you folks have to be some of the biggest hypocrites alive. You say you are against trapping? I’ll bet anything YOU have set mouse traps at one point or anouther. Maybe even those cruel glue pan types. You spray hornet nests, poison ant hills, set decon poison out for mice or rats………you get the picture. I can hear you saying “thats not the same”, it’s exactly the same!! All life has a right to live, from spiders and cockroaches to wolves and people. YOU are no better than the rest of us. We choose to hunt, you don’t, but you still kill when it suits you.

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    • Ya Lost Me

      WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????????????

  • Sjhall

    Elk hunting is a western heritage that many families for the last century  have harvested for consumption. Now that heritage is threatened by a non native carnivore. Some people actually want to go out and hunt thier food rather than buy a package of hamburger in the grocery store. There is a certain amount of satisfaction you get from harvesting, packing out,  processing, and consuming an animal you know has been grazing in a natural environment. Much like people enjoy the garden they harvest, they dont appriciate when a deer comes in and eats the fruits of thier labor. The wolves are impacting the elk herds those facts cannot be disputed. Would people rather see wild dogs fed or families? Most hunters take whatever they can outsmart, which in most cases isnt something we would run down to the taxidermist. We just want the meat. I was hoping to get some good wolf hunting tips and found some but unfortunately had to wade through the hijacked posts to find it. I  dont go to the Starbucks website and tell you all not to drink 5 dollar lattes in a tough economy when you should just get up 15 minutes earlier and brew up some coffee for .25 cents a cup so mind your own business and start your own pro wolf website and stay off ours. If your goal is to convince the people on this website to stop hunting wolves then you are going to be very unproductive so why bother with the slandering comments. You were expecting a tea social here?  

  • Guest334

    Cmon on guys, nature is so much more beautiful seeing animals react in their natural habit and your interfering with that, killing animals just to make carpets? thats a disgrace. this website is so low and pathetic

    • Stargaze400

      You have my vote!  We need to take another look at the Fish & Game…you know…the one that has turned into a money making, tag-selling machine.  1000′s of out of state tags sold to where the animal population is fighting 6 months out of the year to survive. This coupled with taking away habitat by clear cutting.  Out of state tags were at a low this year because the out of staters are getting smart…..but I guess we can blame that on the wolf too.  What is left has to become very smart to survive the camo dressed preditor.

      • Muskrat

        Where are they still clear cutting? The whiners like yourself have pretty much stopped that in Idaho and Montana, I haven’t been to Wyoming for a few years now, can’t speak for them. The forest fires are clearing more land in a uncontroled way than logging ever has. We have the sniveler’s like you to thank for that. What do the animals do for the other 6 months? Go to Burmuda maybe??????? Amazeing you can function at all with the brain God gave you…..I’ve seen smarter Geese…………………….. Oh, by the way it’s spelled P-r-e-d-a-t-o-r

        • realitycheck

          They clear cut in Oregon daily and if you did your home work before you talk you would know this.

      • wlfwmn

        wow someone that finally has a clue….well said….

    • Gladeyoung

      I’m elk a hunter from montana. The area I have hunted for many years is the upper Gallatin where we used to have 3500 elk wintering were down to approximatley 135 the bitterroot valley herds are  completely decimate. We have 6 times as many wolves as we were told we would have. We all knew that would happen thats we we fought introduction in the first place.
       Like it or not humans a also predators by nature. We like bears are omnivores. Both us and bears are being displace. I enjoy veiwing all wildlife not only the challenge of hunting them (and beleive me a educated wolf is a challenge) I enjoy seeing Grizzlies to. It’s grizzlies that will be the big loosers in the reintoduction. Please remember that when wolves worked on our montana landscape they primaily followed the heards of hundreds of thousands of bison that are no longer an option and a realist knows that. I applaud Montana fish wildlife and parks in this matter, they and the people of Montana have been very patient in this matter, to patient. Now If you’ll excuse me I’m heading out the door try to reduce the number Montana’s 2nd bigest bane. The first is the half educated enviromentalist. Not to be confused with ecologist.

      • wolfmoon21

        they should have a hunting season for illiterate wolf hunters like you. wait that would make to much sense a hunt that would benefit the environment. do you really think the population of the elk is supposed to be 1.5 mil. large populations of elk do more damage to the environment than wolves do. but you know what they say about dumb inbreeds like yourself………well there dumb just figured id answer that  for you because…. well you know you cant for yourself

        • Common Sense

          So you are dropping to the level of a first grader and resorting to name calling….sounds a little childish. Lets say there are 1.5 million elk, that is great. If you are going to talk about populations that are in exess, the current human population is over 6 billion as of 2011. Maybe you should try to fix that problem before you start slashing the elk populations, not to mention the other ungulate populations that are dwindling at the same rate if not faster due to excess predation.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          What state do you live in? Not MT or ID I take it! Wolves
          are vicious. They will kill for sport not just when they are hungry. They have
          been spotted at the edge of my city (population of 35,000). It is too close for
          comfort. So I will make you a deal, instead of killing the wolves we load them
          up and put them in your backyard. In a couple of years let’s talk about being illiterate.

        • Pcmachine357

          Dear Mr. Moon. It appears you have made your arguments based upon silly emotions, and avoided well established facts completely. Please! Sympathy for the wolf? Before further engaging in this battle you may wish to do some objective research NOT published by animal rights groups, anti hunting groups, anti gun groups, or PETA.

          As far as your accusations about “inbreeds” being “dumb”, maybe you should take your comments to any 6th grade english teacher and get an F. F for lack of capitals, improper use of punctuation, and misspelling several words. If you expect anyone to take your commentary seriously maybe you should respond INTELLEGENTLY.

          So Im just curious, is your dumbness a result of, lack of edjumahcation, to much bong resin in your synapses, or are you “inbreed”? After this beating I may retire.

          Signed, English

    • Bob1

      What makes you think humans aren’t part of nature?

    • wlfwmn

      well said

    • Muskrat

      It would be a disgrace, if that was really what this was all about. There is so much more to it than that, you will NEVER understand. When you argue with a fool, you only waste your time…adios, I have better things to do.

  • Abraham Janzen

    to Guest334. life is death death is life. 

  • wolfmoon21

    they should have a hunting season for illiterate wolf hunters. wait that would make to much sense a hunt that would benefit the environment. do you really think the population of there precious elk is supposed to be 1.5 mil. just sad how dumb people can be sad sad sad. 

    • Common Sense

      When was the last time you personally spent time hiking the mountains of Northern Idaho or anywhere that has a population of wolves? If it is never then you should probably keep your opinions to yourself.

      • Brooke

        just about every fuckin time dumb-ass so u obviously don’t have a clue what your talking about 

        • Muskrat

          Brooke, take a breath and calm down.

    • Gladeyoung

      So wolfmoon21 where are these 1.5 million elk and why would that be a problem? And what is your experience with both species? Prey need to out number the predators. For instance one wolf needs an average of 26 elk per year. They share with cougars and bears and us.
       Were also predators. It is natural to us. You have a gall bladder, Eyes set in the front of your head not on the side of your head like a prey animal.  This is because predators need depth perception when they go in for the kill. you even have canines. You ancestors were hunters and gather’s and this still your DNA. Don’t fault those who are in touch with themselves. Here in Montana elk calf recruitment is probably about 30% and our elk herds being exterminated by wolves. Wolves worked well with millions of migrating bison but not with resident elk. By the way when no one else cared about the future of wildlife it was hunters that stepped in to save them from extinction. If you have a chance check out the dvd back from the brink. Hunters are still far and away the biggest contributors to wildlife conservation programs.lip service is easy its also worthless.  If you have any logic you will realize we have to many wolves for our prey base.

    • Tylermassie

      Illiterate? like saying “to” much sense, I think you meant “too” much sense. Just saying…

    • Dirtyrock

      go out into the woods with your dog and see how long u and your dog will last. they destroyed all the rocky mountain elk foundation has spent 20 plus years getting populations back up. parasites they are host to…. go fuck yourself hippy.

    • God

      when something is TOO much, you use TOO, TOO many not ‘to’. id be hunting you if you had your way

    • dean

      illiterate? please learn the difference between to / too and there / their

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in the city in a non-hunting family and fell hook, line and sinker for all the lies and distortions of the environmentalists. My eyes are now open to the insidious methods they use to further their agenda. I am glad that common sense is now being used to manage wolf populations, despite the hype and anti-hunting spewings of ignorant people like some of those whose postings I have read here. They spread hate but do nothing to actually promote the balanced well-being of native fauna. I now know that hunters pay more in time, effort and money to maintain the health of animals in North America than the vast majority of the haters out there who spend time writing vomit on blogs, but not a dime of their own money. Wolves are not worth any more than any other animal. They have been hyped by radicals. There is nothing romantic about them. They are predators – killers. Nothing more. Learn about wolves in Russia that have preyed on unarmed humans populations. You lovers out there need to stop the nasty, hateful remarks. Oh wait.. it’s Ok to suggest that there should be hunting seasons for humans who think differently than you. Actually…..it’s not!  Look inside yourself and wonder how you ever got to that point. Hunters have a right to pursue their interests and wolf populations are out of control. End of story.

    • Tylermassie

      ^^^THIS

      • Muskrat

        What the hell dose “^^^THIS” mean?? Got yer own lingo so’s nobdy kin tell yer an idiot?? If you are going to write, PLEASE do so in English.

    • wlfwmn

      What comic book did you get your information from? You are so far off I know kindergartner that know better. Those of us that want to protect wolves rely on years of scientific studies. Either done by ourselves or others that have the credentials to qualify them to journal and report what they have found to be the importance of wolves in the wild. Ignorant you say? I don’t think David Mech, Ed Bangs or Doug Smith are ignorant. (to name just a few) They are the top wolf biologists in the country if not the entire world. They have spent their lives studying these animals and know what they are talking about unlike you. You are brain washed and don’t have a leg to stand on. Stay in the city where you belong.

      • WillHuntForFood

        Great! As one of the “educated” wolf lovers, then you will not deny 1) that the species of wolf that was transplanted here from Canada are not indigenous to this area, 2) that the species of wolf transplanted here is certainly not “endangered” as their Canadian population continues to thrive, 3) that this species of wolf is MUCH more destructive than the counterpart that originally inhabited this geography, 4) that the current population of this non-native species of wolf is WAY beyond what was originally agreed to for it to be de-listed, and 5) that a “natural balance” is a myth and without human oversight a balance that is not in man’s best interest cannot be met.
        I will gladly join those who seek to improve the amount of food avaialable to humans by helping to reduce those non-humans that compete for the same food source. If that means “harvesting” a wolf (or several), then I will do that.

      • Muskrat

        Just gotta say “BULLSHIT!!” You whiney “save everything” types don’t go on studies unless they are slanted your way.You can make studies come out any way you want them to. If you went into a bar and asked how many folks want prohibition, you will not get the same answer you would get in a Mormon Church. You go off 99 percent emotion,1/2 percent slanted studies, and 1/2 percent stupity. You don’t understand the wildlife at all, you understand what Walt Disney wanted you to believe and thats all, you are not open minded to the truth. Nature is a wonderfull place, full of hardship and cruelity. You realy think getting torn apart and eaten alive by wolves dosn’t hurt? I’ll bet the deer and elk would tell you different if they could talk. Like it or not, YOU AND I are part of nature too. At the heart of it, we are animals with our own place in nature. We are predators the same as the wolves, and we will take our place alongside them. If you don’t like that, well wipe the tears from your eyes and look the other way. We are here to stay, the same as the wolves. As far as “stay in the city” go’s, I’ll bet thats exactly where you live. I have not lived in a town for more than 25 years, let alone a city. I hunt, trap and guide hunters in the fall, I’ve seen things Disney would never have shown you. The wild places don’t care about you,or the animals in them. Death is behind every tree for them, the strong smart ones survive, the stupid ones don’t. Wonder how you would fare………………..??????

      • Brian

        What supporters of wolf reintroduction to the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem fail to realize is that humans cannot and should not introduce any species into any environment. Australia is a perfect example. They’ve introduced a number of species into their ecosystems that are decimating the native species. To illustrate this point further, the wolf that was introduced into Yellowstone has not yet evolved in balance with the ecosystem. In Alaska, all bear species can be traced back to a common ancestor; polar bears, grizzlies, kodiaks, brown bears and cinnamon bears, etc. all come from one bear. Geographic isolation prevented these populations from inter-breeding and the varied food sources and micro-climates of the region served to guide the evolutionary adaptation of all of these animals. This is the reason why this wolf population has grown out of control so quickly. The ungulates who are so beloved by visitors to Yellowstone and the Rocky Mountains will face extinction without some form of management of the wolves. If you are stupid enough to believe that any of these wolf biologists have the information available to them that describes in depth what the optimal level of wolves would be for a healthy ecosystem, then perhaps you should keep your dumbass comments to yourself. The wolf reintroduction program failed to take into consideration that the wolf brought to Yellowstone was not the wolf that was eradicated from the area. This wolf was larger than the original with a larger territory and will adapt to the limits of the ecosystem over a long period of time, probably longer than most of us will be living. What stupid people like you fail to realize is that evolutionary adaptation doesn’t happen in the time that it takes to watch it. It takes hundreds of years. Moose, elk and deer herds unfortunately will be extinct before that happens.

      • Kodiak660

        Science? Science is almost never right and is always changing.
        People like me and others who are out in the woods 12 months out of the year know a thing or two. We see 1st hand the systematic killing off of all wildlife in an area where wolves call home. We see how huge these invasive species of wolves are.
        Not much unbiased science was done before the wolves were planted. Also there is no unbiased science on any of the pro wolf sites.
        I wouldn’t give you 2 cents for any of the “top wolf biologists” you mentioned. So the way I see it you are the one who has been brain washed.

  • Stargaze400

           First of all….I am a hunter that believes that trapping wolves (in Idaho) is absolutely barbaric. If there is any hate in my heart for anything….it is for that…..and it should be for anyone else that has a pulse.  Absolutely everything is caught in these traps.  Today I found some ”moron’s” trap line right on my property!!  He had caught a dear, a rabbit and a cayote. The collateral damage is unforgiveable. It didn’t appear he checked them very often either by the decomposition of these animals.I don’t mind someone shooting wolves if they can hunt one because they are smart….but trapping is where my disconnect lies.  The clear cuts in north Idaho have moved the elk population down near the rivers.  Many say it is because of the wolf….surprise!
          
    What I have learned from hunting hounds on the “Joe” on a regualr basis,is that if anyone is missing something or isn’t a good enough hunter to actually find deer, elk, moose, mt. lion, bobcat or cow calfs etc…..you can bet they will blame it on the wolf.  It is a feeding frenzy that has gotten way out of hand and has turned into a witch hunt.

         There is a reason why our preditors are necessary and its almost paramount that they are here for the balance of nature….right down to frogs and trees. Sure they might take down an elk once in awhile because thats what they do….just like mt. lions, cayotes, etc. Someone might want to look at the 15000 plus tags that were sold by the fish and game and wonder if that has put a dent into a combined 6month long season to hunt dear and elk (inclusive of killing does, cows and fawns) to understand why populations are down. Your family wasn’t telling you lies…..you need to do your homework on some of the other BS you have been fed.

    I see wolf tracks once in awhile and actually saw a wolf recently as I was trying to catch up to my dogs that had treed a bobcat.  As long as I respect the wolfs space, he appears to be respecting mine. It’s about balance…..not outrageous tales of woe…

    • Reason

      Nice comment.  It’s nice to see others out there who do not let their emotions rule their judgement.  I read enough of the other comments to feel like hunting wolves is at risk.  As long as antiwolfers remain arrogant and ignorant we run a greater risk of having our hunting season’s shut down. 

      Extremest on both sides have no scientific consideration, just emotions and emotion is the greatest threat to all that is right. 

      I get tired of seeing all the “woe is me, I don’t see as many elk anymore because of the wolves killing them all”.  The one reply where a person says they use to watch 3500 elk winter each year and they now only see 150 blaming it on low numbers has completely lost all sense of judgment. 

      Like you said Stargaze400 elk hunting is now going to be a real challenge because they are now being hunted 24-7 by wolves and then doubled up by both human and wolves during elk season. 

      There will be no more elk loafing areas, there will be no more elk honey holes and there will be no more sure thing hunts.  But our elk herds will grow stronger and healthier and if we don’t suffer drought we will see larger trophy bulls because of the improved breeding of the strongest. 

      If hunters can learn to be scientific, wise and reasonable we will be able to hunt wolves to help manage the numbers but if they remain emotional idiots we run the risk of chaos and cause and effect setting in and everyone will lose. 

      I hope other read your comment before they get sucked into the muck.  It shouldn’t be political it should be scientific. 

      • gottogo

        I’m tired of seeing idiots double post stupid comments a mile long that don’t know jack about what they are talking about…the elk herds were strong as they ever will be before the reintroduction but nice try.  Even pulls out the old ‘drought’ card but you forgot the ‘the grizzlies have just figured out where their calving grounds are’ card.  Make sure you use that one next time.

        I think we (our elk herds) have already experienced the chaos and its’ cause and effect and the only ones who enjoyed it were the wolves and their proponents who will do anything to stop hunting.

    • Reason

      Nice comment.  It’s nice to see others out there who do not let their emotions rule their judgement.  I read enough of the other comments to feel like hunting wolves is at risk.  As long as antiwolfers remain arrogant and ignorant we run a greater risk of having our hunting season’s shut down. 

      Extremest on both sides have no scientific consideration, just emotions and emotion is the greatest threat to all that is right. 

      I get tired of seeing all the “woe is me, I don’t see as many elk anymore because of the wolves killing them all”.  The one reply where a person says they use to watch 3500 elk winter each year and they now only see 150 blaming it on low numbers has completely lost all sense of judgment. 

      Like you said Stargaze400 elk hunting is now going to be a real challenge because they are now being hunted 24-7 by wolves and then doubled up by both human and wolves during elk season. 

      There will be no more elk loafing areas, there will be no more elk honey holes and there will be no more sure thing hunts.  But our elk herds will grow stronger and healthier and if we don’t suffer drought we will see larger trophy bulls because of the improved breeding of the strongest. 

      If hunters can learn to be scientific, wise and reasonable we will be able to hunt wolves to help manage the numbers but if they remain emotional idiots we run the risk of chaos and cause and effect setting in and everyone will lose. 

      I hope other read your comment before they get sucked into the muck.  It shouldn’t be political it should be scientific. 

    • gottogo

      haha, you’re hilarious.  keep hunting with those dogs where there are wolves and, unless idaho wolves are different than mt. wolves, you will be burying what’s left of your dogs.  that i have seen for myself.  if by ‘they might take an elk down once in a while’ you mean about 15 animals per wolf each winter then i guess you are about right.

    • Tylermassie

      Please for the love of god spell check! Making Idahoans look bad!

    • Muskrat

      Hmmmmmm never caught a “dear, or a cayote” in my traps. What sort of bait was he useing? MORON!

    • Muskrat

      twosidedtruth,If you are a hound hunter,(I don’t think so) you have no place to say trapping is barbaric. Lets talk a second about the “secrect way” you train your dogs. A rolling cage with a terrified raccoon or house cat only works to start them. At one point or the other you turn that house cat out of the cage to be torn to shreds by your dogs. It’s not talked about, but every hound hunter I have ever know, and there has been many, has done this. If you bought your dogs allready trained, well, you ain’t a houndsman. If trapping is done right, and I’m not saying every trapper dose it right, it is a humane occupation. Before you call the kettle black, take a look at yourself. Personaly, I would not want hounds, in my oppinion, it’s barbaric, if you want them, have at it, I would not try to stop you. That is the difference between us, you condemn what you don’t understand, I don’t. Go ahead and run your dogs, since you can’t find an animal without them, I’ll set my traps.

  • jack henning

    A few months ago i was believing everything that all those anti wolf killing groups where saying. Personally i do love the wolf as an animal and its abilities to have a pack structure and so on and so forth. I used to hate all people who would even think that killing a wolf is slightly alright. But after much research and seeing it i believe that wolfs should be hunted, but in more moderation. I think with the numbers that are  

  • Aaron

    You sick. sick people, your making a beautiful creature  become extinct..and why?! for money! BEFORE YOU SHOOT THESE CREATURES. THINK, THEY ARE MUCH LIKE US. THEIR SURVIVAL METHODS.. DEFENSIVE METHODS.. AND IN MANY WAYS ARE BETTER THAN US.. THEY DONT FIGHT EACH OTHER FOR SOME PATHETIC OIL OR SHI* SOME WOLVES FIGHT FOR THEIR FOOD.. NOT THAT TEY CHOOSE TOO.. BUT THEY HAVE TO

    • Paul

      Taste like chicken

    • Joeducks

      Aaron, you are a sick ,sick person  if you would rather see any living creature being ripped apart alive rather than than die quickly by a shot.  I recently watched without a rifle as three wolves tore the guts out of a calf moose and when it tried to run it,s feet were tangled in its own intestines dragging on the ground.  The cow moose could do nothing and watched from about 100 yards until the wolves saw her move and immediately took off after the cow.

    • Brady

      You are a dumbass aaron. not controlling the wolf population will lead to the extinction of other animals. we have to control the pack. In wisconsin the wolf numbers has dramatically increased while the deer population is decreasing. When the deer and other prey of the wolf are scarce wolves are going to be more and more aggressive and start going after joggers, etc.

    • Joeducks

      I went back yesterday after seeing the wolves 8 days ago kill the calf moose. Well the calf was mostly eaten but by coyotes and birds not a wolf track anywhere. I found blood where I last saw the cow moose and was able to follow the trail for about a half mile she had crossed a creek at least 15 times trying to get away. I assume the wolves do not like to get wet.  I finally found the cow dead in the creek with wolf tracks along the shore but only crows on the half submerged carcass. Not a lot of blood but it was easy to follow the crisscossing trail in two feet of snow. It appears the cow actually died from exhaustion and just layed down in the creek.

      I have never hunted wolves but if I see one now I purchased a Idaho wolf tag and carry a 300 wsm.

      • Kayceekinz

        animals are ripped apart all the time by other animals…thats just the way of life!!!

        • Elana Gereow

          the way of life/circle of life entails hunting and killing to eat and survive.
          As I see it, you hunt for sport. That is NOT a way of life, don’t delude yourselves into thinking that these animals don’t have any meaning. They don’t deserve to be hunted for your pleasure. 
          I agree to hunting pests, like boars, or wild pigs, maybe even possums but humanely!
          I also agree to hunting only what you are going to eat. If you eat the wolf meat, fine, but if you’re doing it merely for the fun of it, to mount it on your wall like some kind of pathetic trophy, then I cannot condone it.
          Go to a paintball field and shoot each other, or better yet, shoot each other for real. That way, instead of ridding ourselves of beautiful, majestic and innocent creatures, we can rid the world of heartless, ignorant and trigger happy people like yourselves. Hopefully making your type extinct.

          I guess that’s just something I had to say on behalf of the animals who apparently are lesser being than us because they didn’t have the ability to evolve to the point that we did. 

          Please, just stop. 

          • dean

            why should people hunt only what they will eat when wolves kill for the sport of it?

        • Muskrat

          Look in the mirror, YOU are also an animal. People are also part of nature, although we do our best to denigh it.

        • dean

          humans are animals too, so i will rip apart wolves thats just the way of life

    • Hunterfromthesky7

      You really should read what you post and  maybe you’ll see how foolish you sound. With the Fish and Game Departments controlling the “management” of the wolves they will never go extinct again. Why do state governments allow us to hunt game? Because if we didn’t they would overpopulate, exhaust there resources for food, and starve. Hunting is conservation. If humans don’t manage the herds they get to big and they will die. If we don’t manage the wolves they will exhaust their food sources and they will be no more deer and elk for them to consume and they will look else where for food. I.E. closer to towns for peoples, pets, cattle, livestock  or even an unsuspecting jogger. Wolves carry diseases that are very dangerous to people. There’s already been reports of an infant child that had hydatid cysts on his brain and had to go through brain surgery because of the disease that came from wolves got transferred to him through airborne means. Wolves kill elk and deer just for sport. The kill more than they need for survival. At least when a human kills a game animal they use it for food and don’t let it waste like so many wolves who have left elk carcasses laying on a hillside to rot because they didn’t need it for food. I like many outdoor enthusiasts have been and will continue to hunt wolves and kill them and as many as i legally can that Idaho allows me to until the wolf numbers are down to a level where there is no need for a season. I personally cant wait until next year when the up the tag allotment from 2 to 5 for the amount of wolves you can harvest in a calendar year. And for those who don’t already know.  Before the release of these Canadian Grey wolves back in the mid 1990s there were reports from people to the Fish and Game departments of Idaho and Montana that there was smaller sub species of wolves already living in the two states. Somewhere along the way somebody didn’t file the report of the already occupying wolves to the USFWS and or they just didn’t care and they brought in the bigger Canadian Grey wolves, the larger more aggressive, more territorial species of wolves and released them in Yellowstone and  Central Idaho. What the USFWS did was release an invasive species of wolves into an area where there was already an endangered species living. This is known as a felony. Breaking of Federal law by releasing an invasive species where there already exists an endangered species. The USFWS broke federal law by releasing the  wolves. The wolves that were released aren’t  even a native species of this part of the continent. The people responsible for this mess need to be tried and sentenced. Any and all wolf lovers/anti wolf hunting people are in support of a species that doesn’t belong here and are in support of those who violate federal law. 

      • wlfwmn

        you should heed your own warning….your facts are off too….

        • Muskrat

          wlfwmn,After reading some of your other posts, I’m not sure what to think of you. Some of what you say is right on, some is soooooo far off the mark that it’s amazing that anyone would even come up with it. Please, you seem like a smart person, I’m not wanting to insult you in any way, please, please please, take a good hard look at this from both sides. Not just on paper either, get out in the woods and see it first hand. Spend as much time in the wild as possible, I think you will change your mind. Most of these folks have no mind to change….I think you do. If you truely do love the wild, you owe it to the wildlife to learn the truth.

    • Bohara

      if you say wolves dont fight each other you should keep your comments to yourself until you know how woves live.they kill each other for dominance.

      • wlfwmn

        Bohara: You are correct in that statement. Anyone that has foll wed the wolves in Yellowstone will be able to support your statement. Sorry Aaron I know you meant well but your facts are off. But I still believe wolves should be protected and not killed for sport. If the population gets out of control that should be the job of Fish and Game. The reason I say this is because now that wolves have open season people will break the laws. We can’t help it, it’s in our nature to be dishonest. They will bait, poison and snare when it’s illegal. (depending on what state you re’ in) As far as the prey being killed off I have this scientific fact to add. Wolves kill the weak, old and very young. Hunters kill the big, strong and healthy. I don’t know any hunter that wants an old decrepit elk or deer head mounted on their wall. Wolves cause the herds to disperse, move around and that’s good for the flora in an area so it doesn’t get over grazed. Wolves will kill what they need. If the prey is plentiful wolves will reproduce if the prey is low they won’t. Do they kill for fun for the sake of killing? NO! Wolves by nature are lazy and will scavenge every chance they get, so to use up vital energy for the fun of it is not in a wolves nature. Remember they are the only predators out there, and they get the blame a lot for what they did not do.

        • dean

          wolves sport kill on a regular basis and kill healthy adult animals all the time. youre repeating lies that you have heared by other people who want to believe in a romanticized version of a very non romantic animal

      • wlfwmn

        Bohara: You are correct in that statement. Anyone that has foll wed the wolves in Yellowstone will be able to support your statement. Sorry Aaron I know you meant well but your facts are off. But I still believe wolves should be protected and not killed for sport. If the population gets out of control that should be the job of Fish and Game. The reason I say this is because now that wolves have open season people will break the laws. We can’t help it, it’s in our nature to be dishonest. They will bait, poison and snare when it’s illegal. (depending on what state you re’ in) As far as the prey being killed off I have this scientific fact to add. Wolves kill the weak, old and very young. Hunters kill the big, strong and healthy. I don’t know any hunter that wants an old decrepit elk or deer head mounted on their wall. Wolves cause the herds to disperse, move around and that’s good for the flora in an area so it doesn’t get over grazed. Wolves will kill what they need. If the prey is plentiful wolves will reproduce if the prey is low they won’t. Do they kill for fun for the sake of killing? NO! Wolves by nature are lazy and will scavenge every chance they get, so to use up vital energy for the fun of it is not in a wolves nature. Remember they are not the only predators out there, and they get the blame a lot for what they did not do.

        • Muskrat

          WLFWMN, If there is no season EVERYONE I KNOW in Salmon, Idaho will hunt wolves year round. If there is a season, they will follow the rules. It’s simple, do it legal, or risk getting in trouble. Most will follow the rules. As for wolves not killing for fun, well you got that one wrong. It’s not much different than a dog in a hen house, they get excited and kill more than they need. They do scavange, but only if it’s fresh. Rotten meat won’t do, frozen they will come back and finish most or all of it. I’m a hunter, trapper,hunting guide, outdoorsman…..I’ve seen this first hand. I’m not against wolves in any way, but they need to be controled in numbers same as anything else. Wasteing tax dollars to have Fish & Game do it, when hunter’s will pay to do the same thing, just dosn’t make any sence. Again, if we (hunters,and trappers) are not allowed to take part, we will do it anyway. That’s far worse for the wolves than doing it right, with a legal season.Maybe thats wrong, but it’s just the way it is.

    • hungryhippo

      they are not “much like us”.  They can’t shoot for crap!

    • Muskrat

      Aaron, take anouther toke and relax!! You are going to give yourself a headache! Where are wolves going exstinct? They got these from a thriveing population in Canada. Did we take too many from Canada? Are they rare there now? Dig out your crack pipe, close your eyes and relax…….at least TRY to use a brain cell.

  • James T.

    Let’s put it this way they are like us, at the top of the food chain. We hunters have to be controlled or elk and deer would go the way of the buffalo. This is why states have Fish and Game to issue an appropriate amount of tags, It is the same thing with wolves they have to be controlled as well. I had a elk heard of about 120-150 that routinely wintered on my land and this year we only saw 40 and when we went snowmobiling we found 20 wolf kills on our land alone. I can imagine the neighbors found the same. I’m not saying they aren’t beautiful as I agree they are beautiful and intelligent but I know that like you said they will fight for food as we will too. The elk and deer is my food and I’m willing to share some with the wolf but not to the extent it has come to. I respect them as a hunter but to think the time is here that the numbers need to be managed to create a balance between us and them.

    • wlfwmn

      You are the only person that has commented that makes any sense. I applaud you James T. Though I don’t believe in killing wolves personally I like were your head is.

  • Seedcollector

    I am going wolf hunting tomorrow for the first time. I hope I take one down. This taxa does not belong in Idaho..

    • Tumtetum

      I hope the wolf takes you out first you murdering scum.

      • NoGrayAreas

        Spoken like a true liberal anti-gun,kill the baby, but save an animal hater. You keep it up boy, you only help prove our point.

    • NoFutureforourChildren

      Hopefully your hunt was successful. The wolves have moved into a drainage that I have hunted my entire life, I’m now 42, which is also a drainage that my father and grandfather had hunted their entire lives. With the introduction of the wolves the elk heard that use to be well managed and had anywhere from 60-100 mature elk is now down to 10-12 with many dead elk scattered across the hillside. I see more pictures of the wolves on my game cam then any other animal now. It’s a shame that my son’s and daughter will not be allowed to carry on the same family tradition. I believe we should open up a season on the idiot (s) who decided to reintroduce the wolves back into our hunting areas.  From a concerned Idaho Hunter!

      • realitycheck

        GAME CAM? Is a person still considered a hunter if he uses one of those? Hunter: A searcher or seeker for something. Photographer: A person who takes pictures

  • Kaceekinz

    you guys know that hunting wolves is what you like to do, and you think its fun…but some of us need to hunt less because soon all of them will be gone…wheres your fun now? im not saying we should stop hunting them sooooooooo much, so of you kill hundreds a year and 100 time 1,000,000,000 is 10,000,000,000…thas how mant wolves get shot a yea, dont any of you feel the least bit concerned about these animals and here lives being whashed down the drain…what do you even do with the wolves after you kill them????

    • Joeducks

      Wolves are not a important part of our ecosystem and have not been for 100 years, After seeing what wasteful predators they are you would understand.

      Wolves were re-introduced not as a meaningful part of the ecosystem but as a tool for the antihunters.  What the anti’s don’t want to admit is wolves are quickly destroying ecosystems by depleting every meat food source possible that was helpful to nature.

      • Jeffreysummitt

        watch a video about Yellowstone Park to see what a necessary part of the ecosystem wolves really are.They are the top predator for elk and deer and keep those populations healthy.

        • Joeducks

          There are several videos about wolves in Yellowstone park made by the very foundation that helped in reintroduction. Which is not a science foundation. The yellowstone park ecosystem easily supported  17,000 elk, 6,500 buffalo and numerous other deer, moose, antelope, coyotes, beavers etc. Overall decline in the animals listed is 80% since wolf reintroduction. Scientists and biologists now both agree that the wolf reintroduction is the number one reason for decline. They also agree that removing this many large herbivores in this area has now contributed to another large buildup of forest fuels that had been suppresed by grazing therefore setting the stage for more catastrphic fires in the future destroying this very ecosystem. Yes fires are a very important part of a ecosystem ,however with suppressed fuels and animal waste  breaking down soil and providing nutrients the resulting fires are not nearly as widespread and catastrophic (hot) as without these animals.
            I see both sides of the issue as a wildlife biologist.
          To truly have a understanding about wolves please read the book Alaska’s Wolf Man. This is a diary of a man who lived in Alaska from 1915 to 1935 he studied, admired,raised as pets and hunted wolves for 35 years. This man was niether for or against wolves he just simply told it like it is from a time when nature was truly wild.

        • dean

          humans are also a top predator of elk and deer, we dont need wolves to do it for us. if elk and deer populations are too high issue more tags. lots of people would be glad to take a second elk / deer

      • Onelove

         Fuck you you fucking faggot. We need to hunt your “not so important” family or friends. You fucking delusional ass hat!

      • Muskrat

        You got that right. The Endangered Speices Act started out as a good thing, none of us want anything going exstinct( except mosquitos!)now it has been missused as a tool for the anti-hunting groups to the point that it has very little to do with wildlife of any kind, and everything to do with them getting what they want. Hunting, logging,mining, you name it, they can stop it with this “tool”. Wolves are not in any danger of going exstinct, never have been. They got these from Canada where they are hunted and trapped every year, and have been since Canada was founded. Same thing with Alaska, LOTS of wolves. You can’t take an animal from someplace that has a surplus,move them someplace else and call them “endagered of going exstinct” it is just not true. This whole thing is so frustrateing it makes me sick. If it wasn’t important I wouldn’t even look at this stuff.

    • Tiffany-alex

      We will be just find without wolves I live in Montana I have never seen such high volume of wolves in my whole life…they killed my dads horse and killed eleven elk in a night but didn’t eat a ounce of meat off them and never came back to eat on them…these are not native wolfs to Montana they were brought in until you see the devestation with your own eyes don’t judge….this was a human error to bring these things in….I haven’t seen moose and it’s rare to even see a elk calf anymore….it seems people forget about the moose, elk, deer, bison….they don’t matter just your cute furry little wolves…we need to hunt them for the moose and elk and deer….

      • realitycheck

        Humans error a lot. We like to put our hands in everything

    • Oravad

       fuck you hippy

    • Jeremiah Grimsley

      are you stupid? the seasons havent even been open long enough and to assume that people shoot a hundred a year is outragious. There can only be a couple hundred shot a year so maybe you should shut your mouth and let us hunters do what we love. Pretty sure us hunters know when a population is endangered

      • yuup

        bison?………………. snow leopards?……………….. just saying

    • 1 shot 1 kill

      are u retarted? 10,000,000 wolves?maybe in 100 years will we kill 10,000,000 wolves?after i kill a wolf i take the meat and the pelt and use it as a blanket at my cabin. u stupid hippie!!!

    • tyekazoom

      We eat em… yum… and the wolves are insane and taking out farm animals as well as all the elk so people cant feed their families. It may be cool that the mighty wolf is coming back from the grave but even they need a preditor to fear and thats us.

    • woof

      i wish i gave a flying fuck about what u said. 

    • Muskrat

      ?????What the hell did you just say????Make some sence!!!!!

  • Kayceekinz

    i agree very much with aaron…call me crazy but hrs smart…i like the way you think aaron!!!

  • julia

    You really are one sick fuck

  • nascar fast

    i think it is cool that you can hunt them they are eating all the deer and i love venisin

  • Muskrat

    People do kill each other, It happens everyday someplace in the world.With the wolves, It’s about conservation, I don’t want the wolves gone. I also don’t want the deer and elk gone. For 17 years the anti-hunting groups have not let hunters or fish and game manage the wolves the way they should have, now there are too many. They are takeing a huge toll on the other wildlife. By hunting and trapping we can reduce the numbers, without wipeing them out, so that all the wildlife will thrive. There are exstremeists on both sides, some want every wolf gone, others want every wolf saved. You can’t have both, we need to reduce the numbers to as close to a “balance” as possible or we will loose it all. It really is as simple as that.

  • Montanakid

    i am a little curious if anyone else talking on this has even killed a wolf? i personally have killed 8 wolves while working on a ranch while calving this past spring/winter. When you see a newborn calf that you just helped bring into this world being ripped to shreds right in front of the house, you feel a little hate for the animals. Not to mention that every calf that doesn’t make it is the equivalent to $1,000 out of my paycheck at the end of the year. I vow that every fucking wolf i see will be gut shot and i will feel zero emotions for the fuckers.

  • Nate

    I love all the fighting. Who pays more money for nature and the environment? hunters or anti-hunters? Humans are predators. live with it. If you do not like hunting, how would you live back when the only source of food was meat? All i have to say is, if you “anti-wolf hunters” are so “intelligent” and what not, why do we have a wolf season coming up in two weeks? why is it that…. hunting is so wrong yet the DNR approves of it? if you know so well how to manage nature, why are you not part of the DNR? How about you stick to your job and the DNR will take care of theirs? I think they know a little more then what you do. Ya know, this is a free country, so im gonna go kill me a FUCKING WOLF!!!!!

  • walkerdean84@yahoo.com

    u gay

  • smiley846

    If there’s one thing I’ve learned, its that its absolutely pointless trying to reason with an anti-hunter. All we are to them is cold blooded murderers who would like only to decimate the entire animal population on earth…purely for fun. Its not like we are the ones who are out pounding through the bush for days, and months on end, seeing the true effects of the savage wolf. Its impossible for them to see that nearly 100% of wolf hunters are hunting wolves strictly because they dont want them to decimate the ungulate populations. How is it so difficult to understand that wolves have ZERO predators, and without humans regulating the packs…its inevitable that ungulates will some day be wiped out..INEVITABLE!! How is this even arguable??? They are ignorant, uneducated, narrow minded and most of all brainwashed. I would love to just say fine…your right, and tell all you guys to save your breath, so we can soon say “I told you so”. But unfortunately mother nature relies on us hunters to conserve the wild…and I will do my part. I hunt wolves…and I do my best to Smoke A Pack A Day….

  • davix

    My uncle has a ranch in Montana. We put all the calves in onefield and call. We shoot a wolf Every weekend and say they were going to eat our cows

  • UrDaddy

    Up here in alaska wolf populations are high and caribou numbers are low. Caribou are so afraid of the wolves during calving season that they run from the calf and wolves kill and eat it right away in my area. Trapping is almost impossible of any animals because the wolves will kill anything in the traps AND they do JUST kill for fun! Wolves come in to town and attack any pets outside, I have also been chased down the road by a wolf and been stocked by another wolf! Both wolves didnt recover from those mistakes. If people really think wolves only kill what they need and leave people alone they can just go for a hike, if unarmed be sure to fill out a will first. Our hunting limit is TEN per DAY and our trapping limit is NO LIMIT. State of Alaska biologists know what the problem is and how to fix it. Wolves aren’t defenseless, they are smart and even with hunting and trapping limits so high we haven’t killed them all off.

  • bowhunter

    what are you anti hunters doing on a hunting site anyways go post on your howling for justice and let us take care of the wolf problem we have in our states here. they are a problem and maybe if your lucky enough to get out of the city and come see our wilderness you can go hike into a mountain lake and camp but make sure you have your guns you may just wind up being a shit stain in the mountains.

  • kinghunter

    On average, how long does it take a pack to circle their territory?

  • Henrytyler

    One thing…….if you use a dying rabbit call….etc…………watch your back………a black bear or lion can sneak up on fairly easily……….have a barrier at your back…………..

  • realitycheck

    sounds like if I want to be excepted as a hunter on here I have to ignorant and rude. What I want to know is if everyone is worried about over population of wolves which are predators, Then why in the world are we not worried about the over population of humans which is the worst kind of predator and way over populated, you don’t see the wolves out there with their spotting scope, calls, scents, and camo do you? or better yet what about those lazy human game cams? if you hunters were out there actually tracking with your own two feet and your own tactics I would see why you call it hunting but don’t go to a big store like cabelas or something to get all those cheater devices then call yourself a hunter. and I live and grew up in the country (woods as you say) and by the way wasn’t it man that killed off the buffalo not the wolf. Clear cutting happens daily in Oregon. it’s vicious here. there doesn’t appear to be much courtesy for people or animals here.